[sticky post]Why ANOTHER Friends of the C-Realm Community?
zombie
kmo
Because Facebook and G+ seem to design for people who mostly want to post links to YouTube videos, on-line petitions and leave very short, superficial comments. I want a place where I can write and read long comments and have in-depth discussions with C-Realm listeners, guests, and people interested in having the sorts of conversations I remember from the 00s, before the web was re-designed to fit in your pocket.

In creating the group, I forbade "adult content," but really, I want to have grown-up discussions here. It's just that "adult content" is new speak for pornography. What else might "adults" be interested in?

The Dreded Fremen Thread
alamo
raccoonsounds
Originally posted by raccoonsounds at The Dreded Fremen Thread

The Harkonnen SeanMcMurchy
by ~s-mcmurchy

KMO gave friendsofthecrealm book club throw down Oprah style, while meanwhile blasting us, the loyal listeners with hardcore Positivity training, and get rich quick scheeming again Ala Oprah, I decided to humor the poor smuck who's probably dipping into the ludes again, and go along with his audacious challenge and My summery goes a little somthing like this.

Moral of the Story: The strong, are they who surive underground in tight knit communities taking psycedelic spice, while power hungry beaurocrats and oligarchs fuck eachother over, both economicly, militarily, and personally, all because some buddist witches are trying to get the kings kids to shack up and make them them some aryian children...

Main Relavance to C-realm.
Trans pacific partnership = CHOOAM house of arrackuz being squeezed in a big way.

Jouranlism in a Public Good = The ill informed, make bad decisions,as goes the Orange Catholic Bible. Frank Herbert worked for a newspaper as his main sorce of income for many years, the guy obviously has some insight into the news business. ((( thinking machine allow bad decisions to become magnified x^e fold times)))

Manifesting in Meat Space = Frank Herbert is such a visionary thinker that he, delves tech ludite style, into all that techutopian jerkoff dreams of space colonies, and alien empiralism... Bene Gesserites hate computers and so do I, wish my favorite podcaster didnt' live inside one.,

I hearby propose as president of the c-realm fan club we will cloak ourselves in sci-fi geek camoflouge and become the mythology of the Dune Sagas, even to the extreme of reading his son Brian Herbert's painfully detailed in their remeberances of father's bed time stories. prequals and sequals, son of the prophets son of the profit right?


more essayey type thoughts.

Dune is a novel set in a fictional world of arrakaz, where power hungery galactic overlords vi for the powers to exploit the resources of a dessert planet.

The story revolves around three main forces The Harkonnen, The Atreites, and the Fremen
The Harrkonen, a family of redheads with a penchant for pedophila, are portrayed by Herbert as hyperbolicly evil always treating those they rule with distain and often dealing out vicious
Their home planet is a greasy world of black oiled pollution where teams of slaves are punished for any type of insubordination.

The Atreites are portrayed by herbert as hyperbolicly good. They are a class of noble rulers who, representing the more altruistic aspects of our society,
treat their people with respect and kindness and have the blessings of their people to rule.

Then the wildcard in Frank Herbert's deck, the Fremen, who are portrayed as hyperbolicly enigmatic, are a race of wandering nomads settling on Duner millennia before the struggle of galactic
powers came to colonize and exploit. In their enigmatic culture whoes memes spiral around saving water, and being aware of the landscape lead to their survival where no others can live.

The Fremen have been cultivating a clandestine society that live for simple familial and dessert pastoral pleasures and have despite the harsh terrain of the desert planet

I feel as though the Dune mythology has much to impart upon our contiouness and I can imagine myself using the archetypes and imagery in this book, to teach my young son about the world.

Frank Herbert himself was a remarkable man whose son followed his vision and work ethic to write many sequals which examine the complex interrelations that technology and culture have on galactic time scales.

These three societies that i mention HarkkonAtreities and Fremen can bee seen as various memetic pools existing to us today, that we can draw
from to make desisions about
about the way we live our lives.


Thru religious craft, ritual, and informed psycedelic use, the Fremen were able to control the galaxy, and gleen insights into their world.

Fremen treat their planet with the same way they treat their breathern, with utmost respect
How was it that a religious order was able to shape the destiny of the galaxy?
We are the clandestine culture we've been waiting for

MORAL OF THE STORY! We must form dispursed netowrks of baroque beauty so intoxicating as to bewitch the minds of our co-cospiretors with the utmost distain for the non-distrubuted and the non-fractal...

Die Early Die Often
alamo
raccoonsounds
Vote early and vote often is a generally tongue-in-cheek phrase used in relation to elections and the voting process. Though rarely considered a serious suggestion, the phrase theoretically encourages corrupt electoral activity, but is used mostly to suggest the occurrence of such corruption.

I refernce this phrase as a touchstone for another phrase. "Die early and Die often" (hense forth referenced as DeDo)

DeDo is a phrase used in software program testing. If one wants their software to be truely robust, one must use a testing environments that finds many failures early, rather than having your software crash later. And While we're on the subject of software engineering, Lets talk about Google's plan to reward top engineers with life entention technology. http://www.zdnet.com/google-exec-hints-at-ultimate-recruitment-perk-for-top-engineers-life-extension-7000018216/

DeDo will be used (maybe ironicly due to its tech origin) as a rallying cry by tech luddites (those that spurn technological innovation, and instead relish low energy appropirate technology)

Already we live in a country in which medical care is dolled out in an unequitable manner. (Been to the hospital on foodstamps recently?) This trend with the advent of life extention technology will continue perhaps exponentioally. Those at the lowest rungs of the ecnomic ladder being religated to a low energy future while future power elites will gobble up energy sources to augment their warped brain geographies.

Two ficitional examples (In the savage reservation in Huxley's Brave new World or the low energy permaculture cities of Starhawk's The Fifth Sacred Thing,) illustrate the mindset of the poor in our not to distant future as auqwardly co-existing with Tech-phillic socicity.Perhaps friendships will be forged between these Deis-ex-machedahs and fleshy meat people who do the dirty work in exchange for crumbs from heavens table. Perhaps the tech gods and gypsy nomads will live in an antgonistic stalemate. But perhaps these tech-gods will bee mean spirited assholes with statisical analysis in their brain where their human empathy glads used to reside . If this is the case, and if our biosphere can still support organic life, I can imagine confrontation.

DeDo might bee seen by those in these low energy societies as a religious or spiritual mantra, a copeing strategy to deal with their adverse life conditions. What a strage place it might bee for a child in the world living next to, or fighting against beings who seemingly outlive them and their decendants.

"Papa why do we not live to bee 300 or more years old?" "Child We might Die Early, But we Also Die Often!" Buddism, or other religions which use reincarnation or other cylical afterlives, offers a potential mythology for these disadvantaged masses. Thru Reincarnation we come back into the mortal realm, For another round of battle with the robots. Or we come back as Bohdi Satvas sages again and again to build up an alternative society for those who feel spiritual emptiness in a techphillic world.

Dying Early and Often, is this not the way of ants, bees, and other colony animals who see not the imporatance of the individual unit, but rather the health of the whole hive as the most imporant? With such sort life spans, (from 5 to 7 weeks with honey bees) these entities are the most numerous speices on our planet and make up the bulk of the Biomass of our Earth Sphere.

Blessed Bee.

Boston Bombing
zombie
kmo
Meditations on terrorism, the conspiracy mentality, the 24 hour news cycle and the Boston Marathon bombing by an upcoming C-Realm guest:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2013/04/little-brothers-total-noise-and-trickster.html

C-Realm Comics
Homunculus
kmo
On tomorrow's C-Realm Podcast (#369), I'll be talking about the origin of the phrase "the C-Realm." It involves a comic strip that I did for the Maneater, the student newspaper at the University of Missouri - Columbia in the mid 1990's. The comic strip was called "C."

After I left grad school, I kept doing comics, but they only appeared on the web. You'll notice they do NOT appear on C-Realm.com these days. That's because, while I retain a fondness for my characters and for the medium of comics, the actual comics that I created are a source of embarrassment to me now. I just did a Google search for "c-realm comics" and the only actual "hit" on the first page of results is this one:



That's a relief. Those are my characters, but there's no dialog.

I actually have very few examples of my own comics available to me. There was a broken link in the archive when it was up on C-Realm.com which kept the spiders crawling the web on behalf of the Internet Archive from archiving most of the comics that I had posted there at one time. Then a harddrive crash sucked my local copy of the archive into the void.

When I look at what's still to be found for those who know how to search, I cringe. The only way I know to dilute the power of those old strips is to swamp them with new material. It seems as though maybe the digital realm, with the introduction of Kindles, Nooks and iPads, is ready for comics in a way that it was not ready back in 2001, which is about the time I quit posting new comics on anything like a regular basis.

I'd love to dust off my drawing skills, gently raise the characters from their long slumber, and make a new offering to the realm of digital comics. For this, I'm thinking I will definitely need a collaborator. Someone who can help with the art (no worries if drawing the human figure is not your strong suit. That's about the only thing I know how to draw and will handle that end of things). I really need someone who loves comics and understands the process of creating content that is optimized for the current modes of viewing comics on smart phones and tablets.

I could do a Kickstarter campaign and raise money to hire someone to do this, or I could partner with a like-minded soul who would be more of a collaborator than a hired gun. My ambition is not to put the material up on the web for free, but to sell it, you know, for money. Money which I would be happy to split with the collaborator.

This is the absolute wrong time for me to try to start a new project. Olga and I are doing the 2013 C-Realm Podcast Couch-Surfing tour in August, and I need to concentrate on getting my presentation in order and on raising money to pay for the trip. It makes no sense for me to throw this particular message in a bottle into the ocean at this particular moment, but the spirit has moved me, so there it is.

Descent into Anarchy? - A proto blog post
zombie
kmo
This morning, as Olga worked on plastering her kitchen walls I was reading aloud to her from Dmitry Orlov's most recent book, The Five Stages of Collapse: Survivor's Toolkit. I'm scheduled to interview Dmitry for the C-Realm Podcast on Tuesday, and I am reading his book in preparation for that interview. As I often do when reading books by authors I expect to interview, I'm reading portions of it aloud to Olga so that we can discuss the topic and help me prepare to direct the conversation once the meter is running, so to speak.

This morning I was reading to her from a section of the chapter on political collapse called "Anarchism's Charms." Dmitry defines anarchy simply as "without hierarchy." I learned from David Graeber's new book that anarchy and democracy used to be used interchangeably to describe a situation of rule by the people, a situation that our "Founding Fathers" wanted to avoid at all costs. They endeavored to enshrine a version of "liberty" in which only a select few people directed the actions of government. Their nightmare scenario which they resolved to avoid was a universal political franchise in which everyone got a vote and the majority would immediately vote to cancel debts and re-distribute real estate, thus dismantling the complexity of a socio-economic state held, at terrific expense, far from the equilibrium of anarchic human self-organization.

Today, the word "democracy" is riding high. The particular form of the US Federal Government, a construction deliberately designed to prevent the advent of democracy, is now trumpeted as the archetypal example of democracy. Democracy is now something so noble and esteemed that we justify military adventures with the magical incantation of "spreading democracy."

The word "anarchy" has not fared so well. Its etymology describes a social arrangement that is "without rulers," and so our rulers would prefer that we equate such a situation with mob violence, burning cities, and a Hobbesian "war of all against all," when a less ideologically constrained view of human history, pre-history, and the few remaining pre-literate cultures left to compare ourselves to shows that co-operation and coordination of effort for the satisfaction of human needs in the absence of any compulsion or direction from on high is the basic human modus operandi. It's what we do. As Dmitry put it:

The striking success of the human species has everything to do with our superior abilities to communicate, cooperate, organize spontaneously and act creatively in concert. In turn, the equally glaring, horrific, monstrous failures of our species have everything to do with our unwelcome ability to submit to authority, tolerate class distinctions and blindly follow orders and rigid systems of rules.



When I paused in my reading, Olga pointed out that, in English language conversation, at least in the United States, the word "anarchy" is very likely to occur as a part of the phrase "descent into anarchy." The unspoken assumption being that up is good and down is bad. We build up. We strive to climb higher, to continue the work of the great men who came before us and raise the edifice of our civilization ever higher. A movement in the opposite direction represents a loss of hard-won human achievement, a slide in the direction of the Hobbesian hell of our nightmarish origins. A descent is a fall; perhaps even a re-enactment of The Fall.

But when you are standing on a rickety, teetering scaffold that you built by bolting one kludge onto another onto another, until you are precariously perched atop a teetering structure of Rube Goldberg complexity, swaying in the wind, a move in the direction of the steady ground of anarchy might be just the thing. When the ossified and hyper-complex structure of class division, codified inequality and technological dependence starts to shake and list, and collapse seems likely, a deliberate descent sooner beats an obligatory fall later. How much later? Hard to tell. Why risk it by lingering? For the commanding view? Is it really better than anarchy?

And lest you imagine that I invoked the concept of collapse as a scare tactic, I am using the word as Joseph Tainter does in his classic, The Collapse of Complex Societies. According to Tainter's conception of collapse, a civilization that responds to challenges by increasing the complexity of its civic arrangements simultaneously increases the fragility and vulnerability of the system. Consider this excerpt from Occupy World Street: A Global Roadmap for Radical Economic and Political Reform by Ross Jackson:

While most people automatically think of collapse as a catastrophe, Tainter's theory is not that simple. Collapse should rather be seen as an "economizing process" that occurs when it becomes necessary to restore a positive marginal return on organizational investment. Collapse is simply a better economic alternative than continuing the old ways. Indeed, it is the most rational, most appropriate response to the crisis. For the population involved, it may well be experienced as a positive change to a simpler existence with both economic and administrative gains.


Or as Joseph Tainter himself put it, "Collapse is not a fall to some primordial chaos, but a return to the normal human condition of lower complexity."

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Okay, that's 864 words. I'm aiming for a blog post of 1,200 words, so what suggestions does anyone have for a conclusion? Of course, I would be much obliged to anyone who points out typos, factually-challenged assertions, grammar gone to seed, and tortured paragraphs in need of an "economizing process." But mostly I'm just looking to steal your ideas and present them as my own brilliance (my own personal modus operandi, in case you hadn't noticed.)

When it's complete and sufficiently groomed, I will post this to my blog and then it will be available for subscribers to enjoy on their Amazon Kindle devices.

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Edit (5 June 2013)

I just posted the official version to Blogger. http://c-realm.blogspot.com/2013/06/descent-in-anarchy.html

grand unification theory of c-realm discussion
szaszhareen
x-posted from the g+ group:

finding the ideal online discussion place for the c-realm has been difficult, has it not? facebook is lame, g+ is nascent and inadequate, the comments sections on the main site go unused and and unread, the vault forum remains a frosty and quiet place, the CR subreddit never took off, there's inadequate community support for starting a bbs forum (or is there?), not to mention that the one at the growreport forum doesn't get visited (that i know of), and since many listeners don't engage in such archaic internet pursuits as Livejournal or bbs forums, the point there is moot anyway. did i miss anything?

maybe a poll is in order. perhaps it's time to ask the participants in each fractured part of the discussion what an agreeable solution would be. maybe a universally accepted solution isn't available, but perhaps a quick inquiry to those who care as to what their best idea for an alternative would be might reveal a few common preferences that would allow for a consolidation into 1-3 channels?

the main discussion appears to happen on fb, g+ (thanks to kmo's encouragement), and the site itself. does anyone have an idea for a grand unification theory of c-realm discussion?

i like the LJ idea the most, but would certainly love to see a BBS hosted on c-realm.com. the current wordpress iteration of the vault forum is cumbersome, but functional.

the LJ community seems like a great idea to me, because of anecdotal evidence in my personal friend sphere of a partial egress back to the internet of 10 years ago, before everyone had the internet in their pocket, and the average post consisted of more than 128 characters.

star trek fan films
szaszhareen
at the alamo drafthouse movie theaters, each film is preceded by a short montage called a preshow which is put together out of relevant video clips. i had the pleasure of witnessing one of these prior to star trek: into darkness which was made up of clips from the star trek vhs board game (which i have), and clips from various low budget fan films. the film clips were hilarious, but I've been unable to locate exactly which films they're from (i'm still waiting for drafthouse to reply to my email). however, in my quest for these treasures, i've stumbled upon one that is reasonably funny. i give you star trek: the pepsi generation.

apparently i can't embed a video here, so click here to see it.

there are quite a few serious fan productions as well, such as star trek: intrepid, which can also be found on youtube. if anyone's been feeling withdrawals since enterprise got cancelled, there is a goldmine of material out there to scratch the star trek itch.

x-post from g+ on orlov's new book and interview suggestion
szaszhareen
x posting this since it's too long for the short form of g+:

just received my copy of the five stages of collapse: survivors toolkit by dmitry orlov. it's a great read so far, especially since even the first chapter cuts through most of the kindergarten-level stuff that anyone familiar with the topic can already recite by heart even after imbibing a large quantity of alcohol, and gets right into the nitty gritty of suggestions on how to weather collapse, even going so far as to provide real world examples.



I'm excited to see this sort of writing beginning to emerge from the repetitive screeds we're used to reading around the peak everything/collapse blog & book-o-sphere. i imagine that i'm not alone in finding myself wondering how exactly I'll stumble through the coming events (as well as those already occurring all around us), and it's heartening to read some concrete suggestions on what individuals and groups can do to collapse in style now, and avoid the rush (to awkwardly concatenate two quotes by orlov and greer).

I'd really love to hear about individual responses to collapse discussed on the c-realm. ideas on how to make societal breakdown less painful have certainly been presented, here and elsewhere, but there remains a dearth of individual voices speaking about how they're adapting in place. I think the c-realm would be a great place to do this, and would like to suggest having dmitry back on the podcast to explore this emerging and different aspect of the narrative. as an example, I would love to hear a c-realm interview with orlov that, rather than simply rehashing the bad news, focuses entirely on life aboard a boat.

i feel like this part of the conversation doesn't get enough airtime, both on the c-realm and elsewhere. the above mentioned interview could begin another recurring topic on the podcast - where individuals are asked to speak not just about the abstract matters of collapse, but how they're dealing with it themselves on an individual level. not all of us own a doomstead, tend a garden, live on a boat or even personally know someone who does.

i think this last bit, the fact that many people feel isolated, without any other individuals in their personal lives who understand peak oil and the collapse narrative, makes it all the more important that phenomena such as the c-realm create a place where personal, practical stories on adapting to collapse can be heard.

an exploration of the way people are collapsing today would go a long way toward helping others who have been atomized out of interpersonal and practical understanding to see how other people are coping, even thriving, on the way down hubbert's peak, which would in turn help them create a better situation for themselves. I think the c-realm would be the perfect place for this discussion.

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